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trowelhead
Project Officer Level
Myanmar (Burma)
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 Posted - 04/03/2009 : 16:03:50
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In this current time of economic difficulty and the associated risk of unemployment and company collapse would any of us be tempted to be unethical in order to secure employment or to win "that job" or to keep a client. This is something I asked myself the other night after four or five cans of Old Rosey and is there a sliding scale of ethacasy in this job. The very fact I was thinking about it troubled me greatly but when you think of the family, mortgage and dole Lord Vader starts to become very attractive. Suffice to say my sabre has always been blue.
Close enough for a country job!
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gonetopot
Project Officer Level
United Kingdom
108 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2009 : 16:23:45
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I think it depends on flexibility. Many of us younger (he says approaching 30) archaeologists have only ever worked in archaeology, therfore considering making do in a different job is a bitter pill to swallow. So i'm loathe to admit my ethics in order to secure a job may become flexible if i'm threatened (though i emphasise never flexible about the standard to whicj I do a job). Watching colleagues around me collect P45s can make you very edgy.
CMOT Dibbler (alternative career may involve sausage-inna-bun) |
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bob
Project Officer Level
United Kingdom
270 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2009 : 16:26:55
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Originally posted by trowelhead
...This is something I asked myself the other night after four or five cans of Old Rosey...
They sell Old Rosie in cans now?? Never mind archaeological ethics, that's terrible! |
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gonetopot
Project Officer Level
United Kingdom
108 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2009 : 16:30:43
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At least Old Rosie has a little class. When you find yourself supping white lightning from a 3 litre plastic bottle, ethics may have been long forgotten.
We must promote solidarity but how far before individuals begin to break? |
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Sparky
Director Level
United Kingdom
446 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2009 : 16:38:19
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They sell White Lightning in a 3 litre bottle now! The 2 litre never lasted as long as it should.
Seriously, I don't think we should break and if people do, book 'em!
We shouldn't give time for a few rotten apples to spoil the barrel, otherwise where will it end....? |
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bob
Project Officer Level
United Kingdom
270 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2009 : 16:49:54
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Originally posted by Sparky
We shouldn't give time for a few rotten apples to spoil the barrel, otherwise where will it end....?
at least there's no rotten apples in White Lightning, or any apples of any sort come to think of it...
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trowelhead
Project Officer Level
Myanmar (Burma)
143 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2009 : 17:29:40
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Knew I shouldnt have mentioned Old Rosey, ah the memories of the Stansted job. More a petrol can than a can can.
What do you mean lost on price again! |
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monty
Project Officer Level
United Kingdom
268 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2009 : 18:20:45
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| Absolutely no ethics must be sacrificed !! though there are plenty that do.....recession or not ! |
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Oxbeast
Top of the SpoilHeap
United Kingdom
575 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2009 : 18:42:48
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I saw the title of this thread and thought; "surely things in Essex can't be any worse than anywhere else".
I thank you.
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tom wilson
Project Officer Level
United Kingdom
287 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2009 : 07:53:46
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Originally posted by trowelhead
would any of us be tempted to be unethical in order to secure employment or to win "that job" or to keep a client.
No.
Well some maybe, but not me.
The dole ain't so bad. Getting a non-archaeological job ain't so bad. In such circumstances I prefer to hang on to my self-respect.
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BAJR Host
BAJR
United Kingdom
5939 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2009 : 08:28:50
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One thing we must all guard against.. is cutting any more corners.. chopping back on price.. doing less than is the very best... if we cut corners or are unethical then we may as well give up archaeology.
It is not a money making get rich scheme... and if we lose the one thing that makes us do archaeology... for what in reality is a few more pounds... then we have lost our soul.
I would (and just have in the past two weeks) lost two jobs worth thousands - becuase I could not in all honesty do less than the best. - not saying that those that won are doing so, but I value my services and won't go down. (now, I have bills to pay, and as maggie is reminding me, cash flow !! ) but I see my craft as more important.
“When a sinister person means to be your enemy, they always start by trying to become your friend.”
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Windbag
Project Officer Level
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Posted - 05/03/2009 : 09:33:49
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"Nothing less than the best"- sorry, but there is a sliding scale of how much time, effort and expense you can put into any aspect of work. We all have standards, but it takes minimum standards that are enforced across the board (through curators or the IfA) to maintain or raise the appropriate level. If companies are allowed to get away with shoddy work then that is their fault, but it is the system that allows it to happen.
“He who seeks vengeance must dig two graves: one for his enemy and one for himself”
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monty
Project Officer Level
United Kingdom
268 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2009 : 09:54:00
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| originally posted by Tom Wilson:'the dole aint so bad'.......the dole is absolutely horrendous...difficult enough for those having to sign on without such comments surely.........i fail to see what aint so bad about it ! |
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BAJR Host
BAJR
United Kingdom
5939 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2009 : 10:24:41
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Standards are one thing that can be enforced more robustly.. and I feel that the IfA are going to be helping in this... we need to support curatorial services to enforce.. we need this.. as we can have all the written standards in the world, but holes big enough to drive trains through.
My comment about nothing but the best is a personal one... I don't compromise.. I mentally can't..  problem? perhaps..!
“When a sinister person means to be your enemy, they always start by trying to become your friend.”
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monty
Project Officer Level
United Kingdom
268 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2009 : 16:59:50
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| Nothing but the best ....something we should all consciously aim for .....we definitely need to support the curatorial element and hopefully IfA and BAJR Federation can really help move things forward.. |
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BAJR Host
BAJR
United Kingdom
5939 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2009 : 17:34:00
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I agree.. and it has to be a collective thing.. with nobody pulling out of sync
“When a sinister person means to be your enemy, they always start by trying to become your friend.”
William Blake |
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Ethics in a downturn
